Moving to another world: Agency vs Punishment

Randomly picking a story from Spider Woman's Web by Susan Hazen-Hammond, we read "First Woman Brings the People to the 3rd World", a Dine' tale of moving from one world into the next where coyote convinces the people to ignore First Woman's advice and take his easy way.  

The discussion to follow covers the difference moving in agency or moving in punishment makes on our perceptions and choices. Listen here.